All Boy Scouts of America (BSA) Should follow BAS’s safe scouting guide. Take a non-motorized trip on the water of at least four hours or 5 miles. Just voicing my $0.02. I have a question. I personally feel that high adventure trips should not be included in the "maximum 6 nights at a long term camp" clause and despite having read all of the explanations, can't see any good argument for it. @Karen - The answer to your question is "No". If he is supporting it, I would ask him for the name of the merit badge counselor and let him know I am contacting the district advancement chair. it. 7. space around the bunkhouses where a scout could pitch his own Meaning that you @mike - That situation sounds terrible to me. requirement. Campouts? WOW, that is a flagrant violation of the requirements, rules, and spirit of scouting. There is an area in every Scout Handbook for a scout to record his camping experiences. I know only one long term camping trip (up to 6 nights) counts. So basically if you camp fewer than 5 nights then you can count all of the nights, every time. Discuss the advantages and disadvantages of each. Also discus advantages and disadvantages of different types of lightweight cooking stoves. 9a. St. Matthew Church 335 Dover Chester Rd. For the walking, bike riding, or watercraft trek I would count the badge during this COVID time? All scout campouts done while registered as a scout may be counted, even those done before starting this merit badge, if the scout can convince his merit badge counselor that he participated in appropriate camping outings. I'm wondering if this is some kind of test to see if my son will stand up to this person or if he really doesn't understand the requirement. @Jenn - 9a and 9b specifically mention camping so I would say that the 9c conservation project can be done outside of a camping trip. Randolph, NJ 07869 Phone: (973)584-1101 herself. Discuss the importance of camp sanitation and tell why water treatment is essential. They still look forward to camping as part of longer adventures, which includes journeys by watercraft, on foot, or saddled up to the ride. For camping merit badge, you have to fulfill 10 major camping merit requirements. Would NYLT count in addition to That is true if he sleeps in a tent, not in a cabin. @Roxanne - That does not happen very often. @Joe - I believe the reasoning for the limitation to a single five consecutive nights. Discuss importance of camp sanitation and water treatment. cabin, shelter, RV, trailer, or other prebuilt protection. @Dave - Yes, as long as they match the 9a requirement. Thanks! Whitney nights should be counted. any 4-night weekend campouts. I've never met a troop that does Explain the term 'layering'. (4) Take a non motorized trip on the water of at least four hours or 5 miles. badge? Friday to Sunday so 2 nights each weekend. for sure before I go on my next campout. Lastly, you have to Perform a conservation project approved by the landowner or land managing agency. where the scouts use tents, cook their food, and do 'scouting' Make a written plan for an overnight trek and show how to get to your camping spot using a topographical map and. planting native trees. Camping done with his troop, but before starting the Camping merit badge, can be counted by a scout. But, a scout I have a question about 9a. What to do? Okay. In the last bullet on that page you referenced, it also points this out. I have a question about 9.b. Badge. This site is not officially associated with the Boy Scouts of America. How to use first aid kit, and how to avoid injuries and illness. My son has attended camporee and summer camps for an actual total of 34 nights. I don't think they do but I want to know tent OR would the scout be required to build a snow shelter and sleep in that? It also been assembled properly with comfort and balanced in size and weight. Tell the difference between internal- and external-frame packs. Present yourself to your Scoutmaster with your pack for inspection. my son was looking to do the non motorized sport over the summer and already did a bike hike with his dad and recorded the dates. a merit badge. If I were you, I would quickly let the Scoutmaster know about the rumor I had heard to find out what the actual situation is from his (or her) viewpoint. (regarding longterm camp) ...As a For 9b2, my interpretation is that the backpacking of at in addition to a regular 6-night They don't tell them it's 20 your back, rather than base camping or car camping. . My question pertains to the cooking, planning and duty roster requirements. Take a bike trip of at least 15 miles or at least four hours. tent, hammock, or ground sheet for the week. troop. Taking a bike ride of at least 15 miles or at least 4 Discuss footwear for different kinds of weather and how the right footwear is important for protecting your feet. Arguably the Council could have taken those opportunities away for scouters expecting their time there to count. He then totally gets 0 on the second? @ Mike. With all respect to BSA, this requirement has issues. 3 reppels of 10 to count for 9b6. The major reason behind scouting movements was that he believes that if scouts survive these conditions in the open country, then they can face any challenge in life too. He is 17 and we are running out of time -- is there anyone we can appeal this to? total of 10 days? Our Scout still has plenty of time but still curious. Here's an article in Scouting magazine that precisely answers the question about camping nights: blog.scoutingmagazine.org/2012/06/07/ask-the-expert-interpreting-camping-merit-badge-requirement-9a/ 8. Something like this has to pass muster at the district/council level and if you have to, simply inform the District Advancement Committee of how the Camping MB was "earned" and they will stop the Eagle Application right there. Rappel down a rappel route of 30 feet or more. Please Click on above link for detailed Camping Merit Badge Requirements. @Daron - Your statement about counting everything fewer than 5 nights is incorrect. It is mandatory to follow these BSA’s guidelines to acquire camping merit badge. It doesn’t say backpack Can the Troop do that and we got a scout that transferred from another troop he only did four week long camps but his old scoutmaster gave him camping merit badge can I take it away since he didn't really earn it  or is that a council thing? The note is there to emphasize that camping done before the scout got his blue card should still be counted. In your discussion, tell how Scout spirit and the Scout Oath and Law apply to camping and outdoor ethics. counted. I'm sending you an email also, in case you have more to share privately. Eagle Scout projects involving planting and gardening. But, if they are regular campouts activities, then it sounds like troop camping to me and could be Just looking for another opinion on this debate. @Kathy - The 'Troop' doesn't have any say in the requirements for My troop's interpretation has @Liz - The BSA says "If it says 'show or demonstrate,' that is This can be done alone or with others 10. Chief, which I forgot to mention in my earlier question. @Betty - Yes, requirement 9a states "... at designated Scouting activities or events." Would that it's up to his counselor to accept that he did them or Nearly a hundred years, Scouts have been camping in the open countryside. @Joe - No, the second 'short' week should not be counted. In reqmt. (2) Backpack, snowshoe, or cross-country ski for at least 4 miles. Working with another Scout, pitch a tent. Does this Do the following:  a. So five miles in canoe at a time when there's thick snow on the ground; or rappel downa  30-foot embankment to the waiting canoes; or climb a 1000-foot hill and camp in the snow at the top; or climb a 1000-foot mountain and rappel down a 30-foot cliff on the way back down? term Call the district? trip and participates on a whitewater rafting trip of 6 miles He has camped with the troop for an additional total of 16 nights (1 or 2 nights each). I think I know the answer here but just in case here it is-Do nights camping as a den chief with the scouts assigned cub den count towards this MB requirement? @Migueld - 1: He can only earn up to 6 nights from a summer sleeping locations as well as carry in ingredients for and There are other parts of the Backpacking MB that use the word trek for indicating the requirement could be completed over multiple days of the same camping trip. 1. 9. Unfortunately turnover in our leadership has revealed that this was a selective endeavor and we now have scouts that began camping three years ago attending most rendezvous and summer camps without records of participation while others that started the same time show the badge completed (currently a Star rank), and has completed his cooking merit The boy activities should be verified just like verifying the nights of Boy Scout Troop 109, Randolph, NJ. My son went to summer camp for 5 nights two years in a row. least 4 miles is for a single event. stop to sleep, to eat, to swim, to get a drink, ... or any reason. Conservation Project Ideas Service to Council Scout Camps make a great conservation project and help keep our camps in the kind of great condition that will benefit scouts for years to come. My son's troop goes together to a traditional summer camp. someone possibly not counting a 4-mile backpack if it included a Do you agree? Can camping outdoors as a family count? I feel that statement contradicts the other. workaround they suggest they will send their son to summer camp, In June, he attended NYLT for 6 nights. @James - He already got his 6 nights at summer camp so none of the At all times that Scouts participate in a BSA (Boy Scouts of America) activity, they must have the proper supervision. On requirement 9a, could something not scout related I suppose my comment wasn’t entirely clear. I have said yes, but that they do not fulfill the Tenderfoot - 1st Boy Scouts everywhere are always eager to go to the open country and live a couple of nights in the open sky, under the stars. Discuss the advantages and disadvantages of different types of lightweight cooking stoves. Steve. Show that you know first aid for and how to prevent injuries or illnesses that could occur while camping, including hypothermia, frostbite, heat reactions, dehydration, altitude sickness, insect stings, tick bites, snakebite, blisters, and hyperventilation. @Melanie - No, you may not count nights from two summer camps. Does family camping at a BSA facility count for the camping merit Backpack, snowshoe, or cross-country ski for at least four miles. the Backpacking #11 MB as they are a joint badge? I'll answer my own question regarding nights a Boy Scout camped Do these 4 plans for those long weekends. Please click below mentioned link for full BSA’s guideline for scouting. If a scout camps out two nights, then that counts as This has left some questioning their future. No response needed. Can we count one night out of the 5 for the subsequent year? (designed as 4 nights, not 5) count Camping Merit Badge Workbook ... c. c Perform a conservation project approved by the landowner or land managing agency. Show that your pack is right for quickly getting what is needed first, and that it has been assembled properly for comfort, weight, balance, size, and neatness. If he switches counselors does that mean he has to redo all of the requirements? even a single camp out. @Jared Chapman - As a camping merit badge counselor, my first question would be:  Was the family camping at the BSA facility done as part of "designated Scouting activities or events"? scout camping with a cub pack can count these nights towards the @Melinda - If the NYLT experience was run like regular campouts Then, upon returning, he could show his journal, discuss what LNT was done, and share pictures of the conservation project he did. Discuss with your counselor why it is important to be aware of weather conditions before and during your camping activities. @Scout - It is up to your merit badge counselor to decide how much For a Do those count? There is no requirement that all merit badges be complete before starting an Eagle project. To prioritize car camping a bunch of times over a high adventure trip through Northern Tier or Philmont is ridiculous. 1. One of the committee members is looking to push through "camping nights" at home in his living room to satisfy his retirements, bypassing the traditional camping merit badge counselor. so far, but one of them was spent in a snow cave she built for a single trekking event not an accumulation over @Mayank - Since the requirement defines the kind of meal but not Plan breakfasts, lunches and suppers. If your son camped 16 nights on weekend campouts, in a manner that meets requirement #9, and 6 nights at a single long-term camp, then he's done 22 nights - that is enough. Camping is a most recreational activity in the United States, and it helps the Boy Scouts of America deliver the promise of outdoor adventure to Boy Scouts. the prep, leading, and organization is @Bill - I believe "backpacking" should follow the normal use as in @Jackie - I agree with you. No, camping with the family doesn't count. 9.b(1) This can be done alone or with others. Thank you for your time. Sir,   My son is trying to complete 9.b number 3. (adsbygoogle=window.adsbygoogle||[]).push({}); However, due to technological advancement, things have been changed since but still the feeling of going camping is the same as it was in the early 1900s. that the scout is camping outdoors, not in a provided shelter. @Eric - I agree. it says "All" camps count. for 4 miles. Can you use a organized week long scout camp in one year and then in the following year, also? Perform a conservation project approved by the landowner or land managing agency. Discuss how the things you did to earn this badge have taught you about personal health and safety, survival, public health, conservation, and good citizenship. for the reinforcement. A scout could backpack in 2 miles, I did go and review the Backpacking MB and interestingly there was a requirement that said: "9. you must do TWO things with proper preparation and under qualified supervision. Only one of these long-term For the merit badge counselor to approve them, the Thanks. I have always interpreted this as yes, but the wording is ambiguous and scouts and parents are confused. He parent(s)does not have the foresight to realize that it is the opportunity  to begin there is a responsibility as an counselor with this knowledge to convey it. Do the following: a. Requirement #8d says at least one meal must be a trail camping MB, but it went unanswered. Explain the safety procedures for butane/propane stove, liquid fuel stove and extra storage of extra fuel. @Tracey - That is correct. Also discuss food protection against contamination, bad weather and animals. it says a scout needs to sleep in a tent he has pitched and that if a camp provides the tent they don't have to. @Jackie - Maybe I am misunderstanding what you are saying, but when the BSA uses the term "hike", it is referring to the miles hiked on a single day. your thoughts regarding this interpretation. used in 9A. it. 1. done by adults in cub scouts. Some boys take several years and thus different counselors at times (especially ones started at camp) to complete a Merit Badge. merit badges, do these camp trips count for the camping merit badge ??? On July 15, 2014, Benjamin asked a question about whether a boy Does anybody have an opinion? Describe the features of four types of tents, when and where they could be used, and how to care for tents. That is true for every merit badge. Learn the Leave No Trace principles and the Outdoor Code and explain what they mean. I have helped with many Class camping/participation requirement because those specifically In my mind the camping card should be initiated the scouts very first camp outing and if a 12 year old or his but then take him home after four nights so the experience will Mt. what you must do. Safety comes first, in every possible situations. The scout will learn far more from the high adventure trip about camping then they will ever learn car camping. he also count them towards camping merit badge? or a teepee, or a bivy, or no shelter at all. My son has spent over 60 nights camping... on 18 different occasions all as boy scout none of these while cub. Since the boy went to Summer Camp, does that mean that he does not get to count any of the Mt. For example, we have done an overnight snow camping trip and are planning a 5 mile kayak trip with two nights of camping. remains confusing for many. It's the advancement chair's responsibility to ensure counselors are fulfilling their role. In the notes   (3) Take a bike trip of at least 15 miles or at least four hours. Most people hear NYLT and say no since - do the two activities (from those listed) need to be on the same campout? I've never heard of counting only 'trips' rather than 'nights' - your son can just show the counselor the requirement where it says 'NIGHTS'. You can read about it, you can watch the DVD, or you can listen to others discuss the environment. c. Perform a conservation project approved by the landowner or land managing agency. To download your Scout Planning worksheet, click the link below. So if you have been to three week long scout camps you can only count 6 days? If our scout canoed across the lake and spent a night in a shelter he built, couldn't that mitigate the issue with "Summer camp?" @Ann - Yes. Your best recourse is to solve the issue in house. @Joe - That makes it difficult to fulfill the requirement, and I Scouts that the Merit Badge requires 20 It is not though. Camping with fellow scouts is the best source of information, which helps you to handle any situation in your life. Help plan your camping trip; Learn about camping gear; Prepare a camp meal; Learn a new camping skill; Go camping! camping is a different breed. This does not include O. of A. trips. I feel being cooked in camp. @Sue - Your son could certainly ask his Camping merit badge camping actually happened. 10. @Steve - They can be separate campouts. 3. Prepare for an overnight camp out with your patrol by doing the following:checklist of personal and patrol gear and arrange your gears according to needed first basis. That was a fun outing! Show that you know first aid for and how to prevent injuries or illnesses that could occur while camping, including hypothermia, frostbite, heat reactions, dehydration, altitude sickness, insect stings, tick bites, snakebite, blisters, and hyperventilation. We are still stuck on this requirement. The scout is responsible for his own advancement, including starting merit badges. My son has cooked for his all off his advancements #5 says: @ScoutMom - 1. the requirements were changed quite a bit in Your plan sounds fine. Plan and carry out an overnight snow camping experience. may be as simple as picking up litter, or more involved like One long-term camping experience of up to six consecutive nights may be applied toward this requirement. Maybe some other readers would have other suggestions?
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